Episode 13

Published on:

16th Mar 2022

S1 Ep13 | Black Swan Hunting; Managing the Unknowable with The Risk Doctor

In Episode 13 of riskologists, our host, Patrick Bradshaw, is joined by Dr. David Hillson, also known by his alias The Risk Doctor, where they discuss ‘Black Swans’ and how best to prepare for them. This includes:

  • What constitutes a Black Swan and where this originates from
  • Examples of Black Swans in recent history and whether the coronavirus pandemic was a Black Swan
  • If Black Swans are subjective or objective
  • If they are unknowable does this mean they are unmanageable
  • How to best prepare your business for the emergence of Black Swans


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About the Podcast

Risk Management: Made Simple
optimise are thrilled to host the riskologists podcast, where we will be speaking with some of risk management’s most respected and esteemed thought leaders from across the UK and beyond.

Throughout the opening series of riskologists, we will be chatting intimately with our distinguished guests to firstly understand how their journey into risk management began, as well as delving into their unique insights and invaluable first hand experiences, around some of the industry’s most pressing topics.

Our goal is to create a platform in which ideas and thoughts can be shared, in order to inspire and educate our audience and to ultimately give back to the risk management community.

About your host

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Patrick Bradshaw

I joined optimise as a Trainee ERM Practitioner in November 2020, and being very honest, prior to the interview process I had little to no idea what Risk Management was! However, as they say, the rest is history.

Throughout my early tenure in Risk Management, I investigated every possible avenue to help supplement my learning, which included exploring podcasts…

It was at this point, that I realised optimise had a real opportunity to offer something to the community that hadn’t been readily available a great deal up to this point.

I am incredibly passionate not only about constantly developing myself personally and professionally, which interviewing our fantastic guests offers, but also playing my part in improving the profession and leaving it in a better place for the next generation.